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Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum • Re: 10/7 vs 9/11 (Israel-Gaza) Strategic Fallout & Implications

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Admins, take note. The pysops is being played here.
I will rebutt your false assertions one by one.
First trying to gain sympathy by trying to compare India with the filths. Since the filths have a slogan of sea and ocean ,we are bound by ocean, hence we are one kind of gibberish.

Who am I comparing Indians with? You mean I'm comparing India to Muslim Ummah and claiming similarities?
No, I'm not a sympathizer of the Ummah, which colonized us - quite the opposite. But I still recognize that America also behaves like a colonial imperial power, since we've been on the receiving end of their imperialism.
Second trying to put the blame of the U.S Administrative actions on Jews and to Israel without informing users that the Nuland types and Soros types are the ones who are damaging Israel through their actions.

So now you're claiming Soros and Nuland are the same team. Ridiculous - Soros is a Lefty Globalist, while Nuland is a NeoCon. Do you not remember during Bush-Cheney whitehouse, the NeoCons were fully part of that administration, while Soros & Co were vociferously opposed to it? Do you not remember the origin of Soros' infamous signature campaign through MoveOn.Org ? Clearly Lefty Globalist Soros is not part of the pro-Israel lobby, so don't inject his name to clutter the discussion.

Globalist Soros is not part of the Israeli lobby, but Nuland and her NeoCons can certainly be said to be. She served in Bush-Cheney admin, along with Elliott Abrams, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, illegally invading Iraq and destroying its govt. After killing off Saddam, the next target of the lobby was Qaddafi, who was also quickly toppled and destroyed. Then Assad was next to come under fire, and was only rescued by Putin. And therefore Putin has now come under American fire.
Be it in support of Violence and demonstrations in Israel earlier or even today, funding U.S university demonstrations targeting Jews. There was a similar account called Tuan who used to do leftist propaganda for LTTE using similar tactics. Jews are being targeted here and especially their nation Israel.
There are plenty of Jewish students participating in those protests. The anti-semitism incidents in those protests have been miniscule and sporadic. The politicians on the lobby's payroll have of course overblown such incidents in order to create a narrative suited for crackdown. (Note that even one incident of an anti-semitic racial slur will send the payroll politicians into a frenzy, while umpteen number of vandalisms against Hindu temples by rabid Khalistanis doesn't even elicit a yawn from any of them. Same situation in Canada, where their authorities are immediately investigating nascent copycat campus protests for possible anti-semitism, but meanwhile Khalistanis can run rampant under their very same noses -- in spite of the fact that Hindu Canadians outnumber Jews by threefold!)

Lefty Soros is indeed funding the anti-Israel protests. And as we know, he's of course targeted Modi, and is funding various Hindu-baiters.
But Nuland and NeoCons are not with Soros, and are acting in support of Israel - that's why they made a beeline to target all the main Arab strongmen first and foremost. I'm not knocking them for that, since we're not Arabs - but I am pointing to it as proof that they're part of the hydra-headed Israel lobby, and are merely just a different branch. Their lobby exists on both the Left and RIght sides of US politics, but you don't seem to recognize that. I'll also say that NeoCons' reactivation/re-legitimization of American imperialism puts us at risk.

Regarding LTTE, you may remember Victor Ostrovsky's much-publicized book, "By Way of Deception", where he told how Israelis would train both Lankan Army & LTTE cadres at the same time, in nearby facilities. You should draw a lesson from that anecdote, instead of being a blind fanboy.
There is not even a single mention of direct help to India by Israel be it in Agriculture or Kargil war. Utter gibberish is written to hoodwink readers, and especially to further the propaganda of hatred against Israel and its done in a a subtle way of claiming to be Indian and wanting to further Indian interest, ,contrary to reality on the ground. The earlier Admins ban such accounts, the better.
I do recognize the Israeli govt's help to India, be it in agriculture and water management, in vital military systems and technologies. The Israeli X-band SAR we launched on RISAT -2 was of course due to Israel's timely help. And of course all of their numerous weapons systems we've bought, including Heron drones.

I'm not trying to trash Israel's govt -- but I'll point out that the Israeli govt and the wider pro-Israel lobby are not identical. Out of the various pro-Israel groups, some of them are quite hostile to India: Fundamentalist Christian Zionists are one example, and NeoCons are another.
I'm pointing out that Nuland & NeoCons are a huge source of problems for India right now -- and they are indeed driven by their desire to support Israel. I'm connecting the dots and saying that Nuland/NeoCons are hell-bent on re-drawing entire Middle East by hook or by crook to make Israel safe (I don't necessarily object to that re-drawing, if it makes us safer as well). But the problem arises where Nuland/NeoCons feel a need to take their war to Russia, which unavoidably reignites Cold War equations and thus puts India in danger. Then all of a sudden, India is back in America's gunsights. You're refusing to recognize the base motivations of Nuland and the NeoCons.

While I've said that Nuland is motivated by a desire to support Israel, you've claimed that Nuland's actions have harmed Israel. If she's harmed Israel's interests, it's only happened unwittingly rather than deliberately, because she herself is a Jewish supporter of Israel, who also happens to be of Ukrainian descent. It can certainly be argued that Nuland's myopia and stupidity in going after Russia and reigniting Cold War hostilities has created negative spillover effects for Israel's security in the Middle East. After all, the Russia-Ukraine war has given Iran an opportunity to ingratiate itself to Russia, and gain Russia's favour. Iran in turn has become emboldened (maybe even instigated) into orchestrating the Hamas attack of Oct 7.
(I've pointed out before in this forum that Russia might possibly have instigated the Iranians into instigating the Oct 7 Hamas attack on Israel, because this would have helped create a distraction for America to divert attention away from exclusive fixation on Russia. In this sense, Nuland's war on Russia could be seen as a myopic folly)

Reigniting the Cold War is bad for India, but a section of the pro-Israel lobby seems wedded to the Cold War and its thinking. To that extent, we should see the dangers that these factions pose to us.

Statistics: Posted by sanman — 30 Apr 2024 23:15



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